Bianca sits down with Diana Butler OAM — Tasmanian humanitarian, nurse, and founder of Care for Africa — to talk about losing her first son, Tom, as a newborn 40 years ago, and grieving in an era with no language or support for baby loss. Diana traces the line from that loss to founding Care for Africa, and to the moment she found her purpose standing before a Tanzanian community she describes as the reason she was put on this earth.

The conversation closes with Caroline Thain, occupational therapist and trauma-informed clinical leader, joining Bianca to unpack how grief resurfaces across a lifetime, why "toxic positivity" can do more harm than good, and how to support someone who isn't ready to talk.